ATTENTION! bought fake red submariner dial in GB!

[rallepeng]

here on ebay offered:

red submariner mark IV

dial totaly fake, watch ok:





bracelet offered "very good condition" but terrible in real:







original left/fake right:



watch out

seller stated to me: "My watch teck, say the dial is good just reloomed, you make money on resell."

[Fastclimber]

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[rallepeng]

bought without ebay...

[NicoH]

Sorry to hear, Ralle, and thanks for the heads-up!

[Mr. Pink]

... you make money on resell ... what a jerk. Ralf, what you're gonna do? Kick some ass?

[hourglass]

I hope you did save the pictures of the watch as they are now deleted from the hoster. The watchband looks bad on the picture still showing on ebay. That doesnt excuse the seller from labelling the band as VCG .. very good condition .. I am wondering what they did to that band. That is not even stretch anymore ..
What is the problem with the dial? Is it a real red sub dial which has been relumed. Or is the dial totally fake and why? I know nothing about it, just want to know.
All in all, money attracts scum and more money attracts more scum. Thanks for putting the word out and warn us.

[löwenzahn]

Ralf,

I´m sorry for you and want to thank for warning us.

May I ask the same question as Andreas: Would you please give us more information about the dials?

Regards

Michael

[rallepeng]

hey guys, its one of the best fakes i have seen in the past. was on pics not to see as i bought. compare both dials on pic. all letters are wrong, coronet is wrong, far left "L" in ROLEX, "6" in 660 feet is wrong, all serifes are wrong, SUBMARINER to far from 660ft = 200m, indexes to close on minuterie

[löwenzahn]

Ralf,

thanks for explaining.

Michael

[Bullit]

Bad news , but thanks for the warning, Ralle.

Erik

[bullibeer]

Did you not notice it's fake before the buy

I am surprised Ralle

[KioCarolei]

its very interesting to learn about fakes - thank you for explaining

[rallepeng]

Did you not notice it's fake before the buy

I am surprised Ralle

no, of course not... pics was not so clear to see and ebay feedback was ok for me. when something wrong we can find solution... was my thought...

[steboe]

Thanks for updating with this New generation BS...now These Bastards even do chips....

[hourglass]

Thank you Ralph for enlightening us. When I see the direct comparison I can also see the difference in the dials. This is really bad. Take a ****ed up watch with an even more ****ed up watchband and put a fake dial in and .. voila we have a collectors dream. A watch with "history" .. Very bad indeed. Even worse, because they certainly knew what they were doing. I hope you can cause them enough trouble so they gladly take that crap back ..

[rallepeng]

here for interest too, he was trying to sell the watch couple weeks earlyer with white dial.

click me

i got the complete set like in this pic, box, anchor, ht, seal and polish cloth but with red fu**ing dial...

and the best comes now, he will threaten me and destroy MY name. his words original:

"Your the one making silly black mailing threts, I have been in this game a lot longer than 5 years my friend. I have been told all about your from other dealers. I`ve been warned not to trade with you as your a tricky dealer."

[996911]

If you are up to organize a r-l-x trip on a group ticket to have this dealer learn behaviour the hard way I'll be happy to join. Well, seriously, what would be a reasonable measurement in such case to deal with that in a fruitful way ? Hence, as there seem to be quite some potential of aggression on the other end, what are you going to do ? I am asking out of serious interest.

[hourglass]

right Ralph .. he even wrote the first digits of the serial number in the description .. and surprise they match ..

the red sub ...
Stainless steel case very light scratches.
Model Engravings: "1680" at 12:00 Position.
Serial Engravings: Engraving "3816XXX" 6:00 Position.

the white sub ...
Stainless steel case very light scratches.
Model Engravings: "1680" at 12:00 Position.
Serial Engravings: Engraving "38162XX" 6:00 Position.

[DAILY]

Ralle , any chance to find a solution and possibility to ruturn item to seller - or do you consider it as a
total loss ?

wishing you good luck
Peter

[sausapia]

Shit happens, Ralle