Big 1680 Red Submariner post!!............Show all yours - different versions here!!

From the research i did last 2-3 years, i now know that the earliest Redsubs are made with 2.1xx.xxx serial and with early '69 caseback stamp.
My addition to tropical dials brought me to the meter first serie 1680's because we see that in serveral early batches the black dials nicely faded into a tropical brown
[when worn in the right condition & off course never serviced, because rolex did change these dails in earlier days for free into a new black one ]
After seeing - buying many redsub's i discovered that there are 3 differnt 'Meter First' versions instead of the till then known 2 versions.


here the 3 types side by side....
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...3x1680-0-2.jpg


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http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...-660redsub.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ub200m-660.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...irstredsub.jpg

First in line was the one with the long F that goes over the T from FT starting with the 2.1xx serial, it has closed 6's and the red paint was printed on top of the white submariner.
I managed to find a Proto type version where the minuterie hasn't been printed on the dial,
we see the T Swiss <25 print at 6 o'clock but no rest of the paint or even the no pressure print on the surface of the dial
and also first one that has been discovered in an 'original' matching case to the dial: 2,1xx serial

Here a big scan to see all details clearly...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...protofront.jpg[/IMG]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...1680first0.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...1680first4.jpg

[IMG]with tropic 39 i like it the most...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...dsubproto1.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...b1680proto.jpg


Second & third version where delivered at the same time, starting with 2.2xx serial. Diffence between the 2 is the print and the fact that one has the red submariner directly printed on the dial and the other not...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...eers/2xred.jpg

Here a 2,29x.xxx Brown where the red is printed direclty...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...edsub229-3.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...edsub229-2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...680red2229.jpg

and here a 2,38x.xxx serial with red over white print and thin font...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...geredsubbp.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...tropicalbp.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...subarabia2.jpg

2 & 3 version Meter First side by side; you see the difference, it's small but evident, red directly and red over white print....
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...essubbrown.jpg

Here a red directly that has been service by Rolex NY and got a extreme relume ;- )
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ndialclose.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...dsubbrown1.jpg

Here a red directly with great looking original patina indexes...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...picalblue2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...cablue1680.jpg


Here a scary FAKE meter first dial....focus on the last 2 lines on the dial and you see it's NOT ok
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ers/1680b1.jpg

If you don't see the wrong details, compare it with this dial and you see the differences...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...redsubdial.jpg

For me imho the change from meter first to feet first came the line when they changed from meter first to feet first is probably 2.421.8xxx I come to this conclusion because i havea 2.421.7xx complete with B+P and i saw a feet first, open 6's with serial 2.421.9xx

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...hite2-42-2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...rwhite2-42.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...hite2-42-3.jpg

Some rumour are told that Rolex decided to change the Meter - feet position because the export to US was gettibng strong. Or maybe because they changed the dialmaker, i don't know what made them change their mind but once it was printed differently we don't see the colour of the dial change anymore and it made the meter first Redsub to a very rare sportversion only being produced for a short experimental time...


Here a nice and komplete Feet First with 3.1 million serial with slightly open 6's...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...edsubmstr2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...aastricht1.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...0feetfirst.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/2xredsub.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...subducatie.jpg

and last one is like we started, with closed 6's but now with Feet First...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...rstclosed6.jpg



Show yours!!!!

regards Philipp

fine watches.
i am a friend from old subs.

i am a friend from old subs.
Cool ;)

very informative, thanks philipp!!!!!

if you had asked me one mounth ago i would have said i will never own one.


best
dieter

Here´s my grey mouse - oops! :oops: ...naturally i meant my red 1680 ;) :

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2...bs0155kgl6.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1...bs0166kmk3.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5...bs0176klq3.jpg

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/60/subs0187kbg2.jpg

... and i enjoy it every day! =)

my experience since last 5 years with excellent serialnumber list...

"LONG F" serial 2.10x.xxx II. quarter 1969

http://i42.tinypic.com/28r1gdz.jpg

MARK I "m first" serial 2.241.xxx IV. quarter 1969

http://i44.tinypic.com/2rd94bm.jpg

MARK II "ft first" open 6 serial 2.652.xxx I. quarter 1971

http://i43.tinypic.com/29ad89.jpg

MARK III "ft first" small open 6 serial 3.061.xxx III. quartal 1972

http://i42.tinypic.com/9aqsea.jpg

MARK IV closed 6 serial 3.713.xxx I. quarter 1974

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ivfm79.jpg

MARK V service SWISS dial

http://i42.tinypic.com/2duk1ky.jpg

amazing watches and pictures philipp

I can only serve one...from 70/71

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4...099fi21sa8.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2636/p1030532gv5.jpg

greets

Wum

VERY nice gentlemen!!!

PHILIPP,you are :supercool:and very crazy :twisted:

Super Thread! :verneig:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2mo4ffn.jpg

Enjoy my friend!
Armando

Serien-Nr.: 3180xxx

http://pics.r-l-x.de/picserv/files/3...1680red002.jpg

My contribution to the thread:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...subsframed.jpg

beautiful watches.

I'd like to make a contribution to it ;(
- spectacular watches :verneig:

Gorgeous!!!

What an awesome thread on the red sub. My favorite Rolex! Very interesting to see all the different versions, thanks, Phillip.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ijrjg5.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/259x24z.jpg

Better late then never: AWESOME PICS :gut:

Thx. 4 sharing!


:verneig: :verneig: :verneig:

i love the 1680!
great!!

;)

in my opinion.... a sportie has to be vintage... i don`t know why but a new Sub doesn`t get me....!

If i could i would buy one right now...!

http://i38.tinypic.com/2d9xr8z.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/w1xqnb.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/n71bwx.jpg

:verneig: :verneig: :verneig:

wow, great watches

and great pics

i love these red ones :jump:

super Philipp :verneig: :verneig: :verneig: :verneig:

My contribution to the thread:
Body Nr.: 2571xxx
bought in Argentina 1970


http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...3b9cb80726.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...214df0c2c8.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...a96dd0b377.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...8db3bcc598.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...00d8994e07.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...323f7cab80.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...fc08aeb149.jpg

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...bd8b6ca7a6.jpg


regards Germán

I used to have a Ft first, nonhack Red Sub serial 2504xxx with beautiful patina and matching dial and hands, but got robbed and they took it away. Still missing it. One day I will get one again. The red subs are just awesome!

One day - when I'm grown-up - I will also own a Red-Sub!!!!

Here you go:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...X/DSC01353.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...X/DSC01352.jpg
To quote Rallepeng: MARK I "m first" serial 2292xxx 1969

Here my Red Sub Serial 3843... :]

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2298/subkv.jpg By submax at 2011-08-06

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4903/dscf8825.jpg By submax at 2011-08-12

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9417/dscf8815.jpg By submax at 2011-08-12

na dann post ich meine red sub auch mal,

leider habe ich nicht so viele infos über die uhr. here we go:

1680 red sub
meters first
tropic #19 plexi
blaue nünette von tudor 76100

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6127/img3244le.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1512/img3245ud.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8273/img3219jf.jpg

have fun!

hi fletch,

thanks for the information. so they are quite rare and beautiful!!

greetings from sunny mallorca, klaus

New Dial
New Case
New Owner

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9305/1680.gif

Thx., Charly!

Fantastic thread and pictures:verneig::verneig::verneig::verneig::verne ig:

here mine from Belgium
,2.77.xxx
regards

Louis
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...odewie/rs1.jpg

Piccture was gone,here is the new one :-)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ewie/red21.jpg

Wow! What a thread! :jump:

Red watch...hidden:D

Sorry - poor quality of a picture.

Anhang 24510

OMG 8o

So gorgeous, thank you so much for sharing.:gut: