ATTENTION! bought fake red submariner dial in GB!

[rallepeng]

here on ebay offered:

red submariner mark IV (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110599322487&category=31387)

dial totaly fake, watch ok:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial005.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial004.jpg

bracelet offered "very good condition" but terrible in real:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial008.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial009.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial010.jpg

original left/fake right:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial007.jpg

watch out

seller stated to me: "My watch teck, say the dial is good just reloomed, you make money on resell."

:flop:

[Fastclimber]

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[rallepeng]

bought without ebay...

[NicoH]

Sorry to hear, Ralle, and thanks for the heads-up!

[Mr. Pink]

... you make money on resell ... what a jerk. Ralf, what you're gonna do? Kick some ass?

[hourglass]

I hope you did save the pictures of the watch as they are now deleted from the hoster. The watchband looks bad on the picture still showing on ebay. That doesnt excuse the seller from labelling the band as VCG .. very good condition .. I am wondering what they did to that band. That is not even stretch anymore ..
What is the problem with the dial? Is it a real red sub dial which has been relumed. Or is the dial totally fake and why? I know nothing about it, just want to know.
All in all, money attracts scum and more money attracts more scum. Thanks for putting the word out and warn us.

[löwenzahn]

Ralf,

I´m sorry for you and want to thank for warning us.

May I ask the same question as Andreas: Would you please give us more information about the dials?

Regards

Michael

[rallepeng]

hey guys, its one of the best fakes i have seen in the past. was on pics not to see as i bought. compare both dials on pic. all letters are wrong, coronet is wrong, far left "L" in ROLEX, "6" in 660 feet is wrong, all serifes are wrong, SUBMARINER to far from 660ft = 200m, indexes to close on minuterie

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/keithGBfakedial007-1.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/rallepeng/?action=view&current=keithGBfakedial007-1.jpg)

[löwenzahn]

Ralf,

thanks for explaining. :verneig:

Michael

[Bullit]

Bad news =( , but thanks for the warning, Ralle. :gut:

Erik

[bullibeer]

Did you not notice it's fake before the buy 8o8o8o

I am surprised Ralle8o

[ehemaliges mitglied]

its very interesting to learn about fakes - thank you for explaining :gut:

[rallepeng]

Did you not notice it's fake before the buy 8o8o8o

I am surprised Ralle8o
no, of course not... pics was not so clear to see and ebay feedback was ok for me. when something wrong we can find solution... was my thought... :rolleyes:

[steboe]

Thanks for updating with this New generation BS...now These Bastards even do chips....

[hourglass]

Thank you Ralph for enlightening us. When I see the direct comparison I can also see the difference in the dials. This is really bad. Take a ****ed up watch with an even more ****ed up watchband and put a fake dial in and .. voila we have a collectors dream. A watch with "history" .. Very bad indeed. Even worse, because they certainly knew what they were doing. I hope you can cause them enough trouble so they gladly take that crap back ..

[rallepeng]

here for interest too, he was trying to sell the watch couple weeks earlyer with white dial.

click me (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110595007853&category=31387)

i got the complete set like in this pic, box, anchor, ht, seal and polish cloth but with red fu**ing dial...

and the best comes now, he will threaten me and destroy MY name. his words original:

"Your the one making silly black mailing threts, I have been in this game a lot longer than 5 years my friend. I have been told all about your from other dealers. I`ve been warned not to trade with you as your a tricky dealer."
:D

[996911]

If you are up to organize a r-l-x trip on a group ticket to have this dealer learn behaviour the hard way I'll be happy to join. Well, seriously, what would be a reasonable measurement in such case to deal with that in a fruitful way ? Hence, as there seem to be quite some potential of aggression on the other end, what are you going to do ? I am asking out of serious interest.

[hourglass]

right Ralph .. he even wrote the first digits of the serial number in the description .. and surprise they match ..

the red sub ...
Stainless steel case very light scratches.
Model Engravings: "1680" at 12:00 Position.
Serial Engravings: Engraving "3816XXX" 6:00 Position.

the white sub ...
Stainless steel case very light scratches.
Model Engravings: "1680" at 12:00 Position.
Serial Engravings: Engraving "38162XX" 6:00 Position.

[DAILY]

Ralle , any chance to find a solution and possibility to ruturn item to seller - or do you consider it as a
total loss ?

wishing you good luck
Peter

[sausapia]

Shit happens, Ralle ?(

[RLX1470]

"Shit happens" ... ? ... Screw that, no way Ralle.

I would not write this one off. In the end this is unacceptable and this guy is just begging for recourse. The UK is not out of this world and laws apply. And yes, they can be enforced across borders.

Heck - I mean if a simple parking ticket can be enforced all across the EU then this should b a field day for a lawyer in the UK.

Don't back down, don't bend over. Get the bugger.

Chris

PS: Of course, I feel sorry for you... needless to say, right?

[akroll]

Sorry to read that Ralle, when I first saw your post in VRF I thought it would be easily remedied, but that really sucks. :motz:

In any instance, pls post the name and address of that seller, so that the community is fully warned. If necessary in VRF, Facebook or so.

And needless to say: GET THE GUY!!! :bgdev::bgdev:

[ehemaliges mitglied]

Oh my god, the Fake dial is made really well. You can see the minuscule difference only when you compare the authentic to the fake dial, and you have to take a very close look.

Ralle is the dial a complete fake, or just a bad relume?

The seller has a ton of feedback, is a watchdealer, so I would have felt comfortable with him and would not have felt any doubt buying from him. I am so sorry for you, Ralle. The worst is that the seller is stubborn and not willing to cooperate. Good luck. Hope you can find a resolution. The seller is stupid to threaten you in written.

[jholbrook]

Very sorry to hear of this Ralle. :(

[Flo74]

Sorry to hear.
Not to think what may be if somebody like me young padavan did buy it.

I guess Ralle knows what is to be done.
Go for it!

[rallepeng]

Ralle is the dial a complete fake, or just a bad relume?

surface is complete fake or redone, i didnt took out from watch because not important to see the backside.
i´ll give him time until wednesday to think about his attitude... ;)

[bullibeer]

no, of course not... pics was not so clear to see and ebay feedback was ok for me. when something wrong we can find solution... was my thought... :rolleyes:

SORRY to hear my friend!

Bad images do the trick i guess... looks ok at first glance.... only starts itching.. the feeling something is wrong looking at it.. and then when you see more detaisl... yep. Easy on this images.

Hope you will get your money back or any other solution!

[Die-Motte]

Ralle, this dealer knew what he did! He wanted to betray! This is against the law in Britain as well as in Germany! And it means the loss of more than 5K for you! I would get a go with a good lawyer in case he does not make up his mind! And maybe we should keep an eye on his other sells... He seems to consider this a proper way of making money!
And thank you for the comparision of the two dials! I could not have told that the one in the watch is a fake without seeing the genui

[Eurocontroller]

Just seen your thread-

What an a**hole!!!

Lets hope we can get him......!

cheers,

Nick.

[rallepeng]

i dont know is allowed to link here to other forum but he responded fantastic for him self... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

click here (http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=2172034&posted=1#post2172034)

[fiumagyar]

Double monkey:verneig::rofl:

[akroll]

Wonderful. What kind of guy are you selling SL fakes anyway? :rofl::rofl:

[Passionata]

these days fakes are increadibly good, sorry to hear your loss

[Smile]

Tut mir leid zu hören, Ralle !!!! :(

Ist kein schlechter Fake, aber mit guten Fotos doch leicht zu erkennen ... dieser VK hat auf ebay schon einige Rolex Vintage mit Fake Gehäuse verkauft,
übler Kerle !!!!!!! Hoffe, Du kriegst dein Geld wieder !!!

[Mr. Morgan]

Fahr hin und hau ihm auf die Nuss :D dann lernt er fürs leben

[rallepeng]

after couple days negotiation with help of my friend f.w. today i got discount payment 750 GBP. now case is closed for me and all fine... :gut:
thanks for attention folks!

[harry_hirsch]

It`s sad that you had to put pressure on the seller first - but at least it turned to be ok for you :gut:

[Eurocontroller]

At least you got something back- well done!

cheers,

Nick.

[akroll]

after couple days negotiation with help of my friend f.w. today i got discount payment 750 GBP. now case is closed for me and all fine... :gut:
thanks for attention folks!

Great to hear, Ralle!:gut::gut::gut:

[date7201]

Holy sh.. ! How many from these are sold on people without your knowledge?
For me, discount payment was a virtual admission of guilt.

greetings,
Christian