This thread has been a real learning lesson. I am close to getting a red sub again. Lost mine in a robbery, but can't forget this watch.

Aside from all the dial variations, there are also movement variations I believe. First, there are movements with hacking and non-hacking seconds. Not sure if there are also different movement references? Anyone can shed some light on this?

I am impressed with the collection of Phillip. And with all papers, punched serial. That's quite something.

Would any of you mind to send me a private message regarding what maximum price I should pay for an early red sub with open 6, serial starting with 25xxx, no papers, no box, nothing? Just curious what I have to expect.

I am enjoying this thread a lot.